In this case, police tracked him down — en route to a women's march in Utah — before he was able to carry out his plan. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. In November 2018, a man who identified as incel shot and killed two women at a Tallahassee, Fla., yoga studio. The ideology of incels focuses on the idea that attractive women, known as "Stacys" in incel terminology, are shallow and only attracted to "Chads" — men who are hyper-muscular and highly attractive. But increasingly, incel is a world of misogyny, hate and violence, experts told The Fifth Estate. It’s called Van … The Fifth Estate spent months infiltrating incel forums to get a sense of what goes on in these dark corners of the internet. The incel community is composed of socially alienating men mourning their inability to have sexual relationships with women. He said in the case of the van attack, the suspect was inspired by what he saw on the internet. He used the pseudonym "Elliot Rodger" on several online forums and praised "the supreme gentleman.". In April 2018, Alek Minassian allegedly drove a van into pedestrians in Toronto, killing 10 and injuring 16 others. That Rivers is a creep. Associated Press articles: Copyright © 2016 The Associated Press. Users helping out another member by advising on how to chemically castrate his "Chad" roommate. All Things Weezer, All In One Place. Others are trying to stop the hate and the violence, saying this isn't something they want to be associated with. By David Futrelle “Here Comes My Baby,” is a deceptively cheerful-sounding song of unrequited love, written by Cat Stevens when he was a teenager.And it has the stink of high school heartbreak all over it. "That, to me, is not a rebellion at all. But it doesn't always work out that way when men who identify themselves as incels — or involuntary celibates — post such thoughts online. If the new “Joker” movie actually had a real message, it might have been easier to defend. In short, it's not society rejecting incels but incels rejecting themselves. I have this huge emotional block. They’re banned from Reddit. I said i listen to weezer and according to my friends people say its incel music. For many, being incel isn't about regaining masculinity, but instead is about a highly misogynistic takedown of women through violent acts. "I think that really puts in context what the risk is. Weezer haven’t been flailing about these past fifteen years, searching in vain for some direction and inspiration. ... so i think this is a factor for why rock lost its popularity. The term "incel" gained more prominence in 2014, when a 22-year-old man in Isla Vista, Calif. killed six people and injured 14 others before killing himself. Even when their '90s alt-pop peers have resigned themselves to nostalgia tours and/or complete obscurity, Weezer are still going strong, at least as actual rock bands go. This was from the time they first got together until the period that the first album was recorded. Cuomo directed most of the songs to his fans, as though feinting toward an apology: “Back to the Shack” was an attempt to hit the reset button and start all over again, while “Eulogy for a Rock Band” served as an epitaph after “fifteen years of ruling the planet.” It almost sounded like a mea culpa, but “I’ve Had It Up to Here” suggested otherwise: “If you think I need approval from the faceless throng,” Cuomo sang, unbowed and unbroken and unbelievable, “well, that’s where you’re wrong.” Weirdly, the album received glowing reviews. On the original tape, a slew of band names were all crammed on the label, a joke on how no one could decide on the name for the band yet. Still, these attacks are often quickly deemed "lone wolf" attacks by authorities, and the public is told there's no threat to public safety. For others, Weezer is a tragedy, a painfully familiar archetypal origin of a young promise falling victim to the music industry machine, only to later align with it and use its powers for evil. Many on incel forums consider Marc Lepine — who, in 1989, killed 14 women and injured 10 other women at École Polytechnique in Montreal — the first incel killer. And are a frightening group. A recent count by The Fifth Estate shows at least 60,000 people are active in the three main public incel forums online. ", Elliot Rodger and why young males go on rampage killings. The last video he posted was called "Elliot Rodger's Retribution. The other one, I’m depressed thinking about it. "It's about their proprietary violence, that they think they have some sort of inborn inherent right and privilege to access women and women's bodies and so that is the bit that animates them," Barbara Perry, a criminologist specializing in hate crime at the University of Ontario Institute of Technology, told The Fifth Estate. "There's the sense on the part of the incels that those rights are coming at the expense of white, heterosexual men.". It’s currently called OK Human and was produced by Jake Sinclair, who did our White Album. "If you look at the ... reports on the terrorist threat in Canada, either far right isn't mentioned or they're dismissed out of hand as ... not a threat, not organized, not coherent, and therefore not a risk," she said. It’s weird for the sake of weird. The post appeared on a Facebook page on April 23, 2018, before a van rampage down Yonge Street in Toronto that involved running red lights, mounting sidewalks and running down pedestrians. The success of early singles like “Undone (The Sweater Song)” and “Buddy Holly” nearly trashed their underdog status, but Pinkerton, so misunderstood in its time, immediately sent them back into semi-obscurity. "We're missing something," said Perry. “She’s so energetic in her sweaty overalls,” Rivers Cuomo sings, obviously describing a real person. Criminologists and sociologists are sounding the alarm over extreme and violent internet subcultures that include incels, saying the threat they pose isn’t being taken seriously enough. As the highs of the 1990s recede further and further into the dark past, one thing does grow clearer and clearer. Either that, or online incel culture has just skyrocketed since then. Bentley was convicted of manslaughter, and said he killed the man by stomping on his abdomen because he was frustrated with being involuntarily celibate for four years. "The Chads are the high-status males who, from the incels' point of view, are successful and are having sex with lots of women, to whom life comes really easily," said Ross Haenfler, a sociologist who studies internet subculture at Grinnell College in Iowa. They say the threat posed by these groups isn't being taken seriously enough.Â. 'Joker,' starring Joaquin Phoenix, sparked an incel controversy because its hopelessly hollow. They often express extreme feelings of misogyny and hatred. He played the part of the rock-and-roll loser beautifully on those first two albums, but since then, Cuomo has never been especially convincing as a rock star, perhaps because the role was thrust upon him and accepted only reluctantly. The first verse is about a woman—I’m sorry, a girl -- who works at a pastry shop and makes cannolis that may or may not be sexual innuendos. "This is why I'm planning on shooting up a public place soon and being the next mass shooter.". And it probably will go viral. A Colorado man named Christopher Cleary took to social media and laid out the plan for an attack that was coming together in his mind. SALON ® is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office as a trademark of Salon.com, LLC. Instead, they’re coasting on the good will of their first two albums: 1994’s charmingly eccentric “Weezer” (known far and wide as the Blue Album) and 1996’s disarmingly confessional “Pinkerton” (known far and wide as the album that rips your soul out). "These are people who've found each other online and can ruminate over what they can do.". "I'm 27 years old and I've never had a girlfriend before and I'm still a virgin," Cleary wrote. Incel Incarnate ★★★★★ ... rock radio and labeled as "alternative". ", What we know about Alek Minassian, man charged in deadly Toronto van attack, Facebook post linked to Toronto van attack points to insular, misogynistic world of 'incels'. This is compared to only seven by Islamist-inspired extremists. That hasn't gone away. ", "Tomorrow is the day of retribution — a day of which I will have my revenge against all of humanity," Rodger said in one video. The name of Elliot Rodger may look familiar — it was in a Facebook post from last year, this time in Canada. It is a priority for CBC to create a website that is accessible to all Canadians including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. “Brevity is the soul of wit” – Polonius “I don’t want no one-minute man” – Missy Elliott In this week’s Kast, we look back at the aptly-titled “Minute-Long Rap Song” from our debut album, We’ll Burn That Bridge When We Come To It.We dissect what may be our meanest beat… and ponder whether it would’ve served as solid ground for other rappers. It’s called “Thank God for Girls,” and that last word standing out like a dare to thinkpiece writers everywhere. No, Weezer are singing about themselves and how weird and wacky and lovable they are. Minassian wasn't the first person to praise Rodger in online postings. An Incel pretending to be a woman and asking about how rapes are investigated, along with how rapists could get away with it. The only song i listen to outside of the blue and green albums is the good life, is it something with their other/newer albums? But “Thank God for Girls” isn’t subversive or substantial or anything at all. Can you think of anything more adolescent than that? Haenfler has been studying trends in alt-right and incel violence, and said he worries that things will only get worse. Released 7 September 2012 on n/a (catalog no. So, in the foreseeable future, I'm very sad to say, I anticipate more of these kinds of killings. Who knows, who cares, not the worst Weezer album by any means, but it serves its purpose well as an interesting psychological diversion in their discography rather than surviving off of its minimal merits. "The Elliot Rodgers and other mass killers do sometimes take on a mythical quality because, for some incels, they embody the ultimate form of resistance against a feminist culture that doesn't value them for who they are," Haenfler said. He also left behind a 137-page manifesto he wrote titled "My Twisted World." Earlier this month, Canada's minister of public safety said right-wing, white supremacists and neo-Nazi groups are an increasing concern and threat to Canadians. “Beverly Hills” and “Dope Nose” and “I’m Your Daddy” weren’t just bad. "I will slaughter every single spoiled stuck-up blonde slut.... You will finally see I'm the superior one. The resurrection of Pinkerton from sophomore slump to generational milestone is still a pretty remarkable story, even if the band had to shed its underdog status once and for all. Their 2001 comeback, “Weezer” (aka Green Album), was slammed for being impersonal and overproduced, which may have been the entire point. Reproduction of material from any Salon pages without written permission is strictly prohibited. Nikolas Cruz, the man who is charged with killing 17 people and attempting to kill 17 others at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., last year, praised Rodger online, saying "Elliot Rodger will not be forgotten. At a certain point, they must have decided to become the worst band in the world. Instead, Perry said that an important starting point is for people to be having "conversations with our sons, with our nephews, as well as our girls." In many corners of the incel subculture, people like Rodger — and now, Minassian — are celebrated as heroes. "I wish, with all my heart, I could say that we've seen the last of these mass killings, but in all honesty, the cultural ingredients are there. Watch an expert explain the growing community behind some of these attacks.Â. In the worst cases, their online misogyny turns to violent fantasies, where many online encourage rape, violence and in some cases, killing. Incels believe women owe them sex, and in some cases people active on incel forums advocate for government-sanctioned girlfriends and sexual encounters. Scripted strangeness. On Oct. 1, 2015, Chris Harper-Mercer killed nine people and injured eight others in a shooting at the Umpqua Community College campus in Roseburg, Ore., before killing himself. The foundation is there. The cover features a photo of the Pope, because people on the Internet sure do like the Pope. Two decades ago, they mixed semi-heavy riffs with witty lyrics and trenchant self-loathing, and even at a time when rock-and-roll exorcisms were all over the radio dial, Cuomo dispensed messy emotions via precisely structured pop songs. That's Weezer's longevity in a nutshell — if they were out here striving to make good music and it all ended up bad, they'd be criticized, increasingly ignored and then forgotten. Expected some incel shit, instead received chad anthems like Why Bother Pinkerton is very uniquely personal with how unafraid Rivers is to appear creepy. This is not a new thing. Weezer has gone through a lot of ups and downs over the years, and there are probably a few twists and turns in their history that you've never heard of. Before the attack, a post appeared on Minassian's Facebook account that said "the Incel Rebellion has already begun. Weezer could get away with a song like “No One Else” or “El Scorcho” because Cuomo delivered each line with an implied “sorry.”. The most incel band ever I'm sorry but anything outside Weezer Blue is just pure incel trash. It’s possibly my most problematic fav For some, Weezer is a beacon of hope, a comforting reminder of a simpler time in music when trying too hard was lame and being an incel was charming. Genres: Power Pop, Alternative Rock, Rock Opera. Discussions: 51,065 Messages: 1,841,821 Members: 5,416 Latest Member: Make Believe Is A Masterpiece "What we've seen is a long-term cycle of social change in which women, people of colour, LGBTQ people, immigrants and others have demanded recognition and rights," he said. ", The most active incel community existed on Reddit — a "subreddit" called r/incels — until October 2017 when Reddit announced a new policy to ban "content that encourages, glorifies, incites or calls for violence or harm against an individual or a group of people.". Once Weezer's members wrapped up work on their side projects (Bell with Space Twins; Wilson with the Special Goodness), the band recruited former Juliana Hatfield bassist Mikey Welsh to take the place of Sharp and began working on new material. More than 20 years after they formed and nearly 15 years after they re-formed, Weezer have become the most grossly cynical band around. "[Incel] became a religion of sorts, and it's a recent ideology," Arntfield of Western University, said. Incels may be a recent term, Haenfler said, but in many ways the social climate that produced them has been 50 years in the making. Experts in Canada and the U.S. are sounding the alarm bells on groups like incels, and encouraging authorities to take them more seriously. Sociologist Ross Haenfler explains the organized nature of incels. "It's deeply disturbing to see that the answer to [their feelings] is the 'Incel rebellion,' as Alek Minassian called it," said Haenfler. Federal, provincial elections targets for cyberattacks, Goodale warns during lecture at U of Regina. Let's fix that and take a look at the untold truth of Weezer. Forget meme rock. So the band keeps going. Weezer is the absolute worst: Is Rivers Cuomo just trolling us all? Rivers Cuomo first mentioned the existence of the album while explaining the existence of OK Human in an interview with Los Angeles Times in February of 2019: When asked about Weezer's two upcoming albums in an interview with Billboard published March 1st, Cuomo said: "One was mostly done before the Black Album. Man, Weezer’s new single sure is weird. “Incel” is short for “involuntary celibate,” and as their self-imposed name implies, these mostly young men have come to define themselves by their inability to find a sexual or romantic … Authorities in Canada and the U.S. are often quick to call these incidents "lone wolf" attacks, but criminologists and sociologists are sounding the alarm on incels and other growing internet subcultures that promote extreme violence. They’re troll rock. Those singles sound like someone put real effort into their badness. "Whoever's intervening is going to be attacked and going to be dismissed.". “Thank God for Girls” no doubt heralds a tenth album and possibly the extinguishing of the sun. Why some 'incels' are celebrating accused in Toronto van attack, CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. That’s the operative word with this band. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. "Â. They’re worse than Nickelback, who don’t maintain the same veneer of respectability, and they’re worse than One Direction, who at least know their way around a hook. In fact, right now people are posting that self-consciously zany video to their social medias, even though the song itself is a non-song that touches on enough hot topics—gender equality, dragons, Creationism, pastries—to sound like it might actually be saying something about something. This is an outer-space rock opera whose plotline can charitably be described as "incel-tastic". The song could have been created in a lab; it’s genetically engineered to go viral because cannolis and sweaty overalls, right? Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. In the past four years, there have been several killings by people who either self-identified as incels or who mentioned incel-related names and writings in their internet postings. Ostensibly Cuomo was praising the unpolished idiosyncrasies of these unlikely celebrities as a way to tell his own fans that hey, it’s okay to be weird. And while Perry said she's tracked 120 instances of alt-right violence in the last 30 years in Canada, during the same period there were seven incidents of Islamist-inspired extremism. To be fair, Weezer were great when they were underdogs. A lot of these lyrics are thoughts that cross many people's minds, and ones you don't frequently hear in music. n/a; Lossless Digital). It tanked, of course, but at least Cuomo owned up to some of the uglier aspects of relationships. "We've talked to girls and young women for eons now about how they can protect themselves, how they can defend themselves from the violence as well as the language, and it's time that we turn the table and ... ask men to be accountable for their behaviour," she said. “Thank God for Girls” is the worst kind of weird. Experts interviewed by The Fifth Estate have identified 120 instances of extreme violence in Canada by right-wing groups, including incels, in the past 30 years. Weezer may have become kind of a joke in the 21st century, which makes it easy to forget just how they got a fan base in the first place, and why that fan base continues to be disappointed. On Dec. 7, 2017, William Atchison killed two people before killing himself at a high school in Aztec, N.M. Incels interact in forums online, like 4chan, Reddit and a few public incel boards, and even on popular social media platforms including Facebook and YouTube. Involuntary celibates or incels are an online brotherhood of men who say they are unsuccessful in their romantic attempts with women. real alternative is bands like weezer and smashing pumpkins. ------------------------------------------. On the website, incel was described as "anybody of any gender who was lonely, had never had sex or who hadn't had a relationship in a long time.". ", 'It's catastrophic': At least 17 dead in Florida high school shooting. They still release event albums, still sell well enough in their first week, still fall off in their second, still tour large venues, still play shows under that ironic winged W. But their popularity, aside from their pandering antics, isn’t based on listeners’ nostalgia for a time when rock bands actually commanded attention and sales. It sounded, in other words, like the final Weezer album, one last attempt to set things right before they finally put the band out of our misery. Pinkerton may lyrically be creepy white dude incel shit but it’s also musically beautiful and ambitious and has some sick raw production. His trial is scheduled to begin in early 2020, and his defence is unknown. It's just a retreat to the same classic forms of male domination.". On July 31, 2016, a man named Sheldon Bentley killed an unconscious man in an alleyway in Edmonton. That predicament alone could fuel a thoughtful and provocative album, perhaps even a long and productive career, but Weezer’s output in the twenty-first century has been so consistently, aggressively, inventively awful that it’s almost impressive. "How is this not an attack on national security?… There's a real and present threat associated with the far right.… I think we make a dangerous mistake thinking about it as only ... a fringe movement.". When Cuomo relinquishes the mic, The Red Album could be by any group of modern-rock mediocrities.”Meanness Level: 2.3. "You also see, in the forums, just a lot of communicating of just simple rage … these incel men are really focusing on feminists as being the cause of their troubles. That people like some of their albums but not others. What is a bit mysterious is that Cropper was asked to leave Weezer while the ‘Blue’ album was being put down, but no-one will say why. Weezer was formed on Valentine's Day 1992, but were not named yet. The post was pledging allegiance to the "Incel Rebellion," and hailing Rodger, the mass killer many incels consider a hero. Using the term "involuntary," experts say, indicates that incels have little self-awareness. "This [group] has an organization to it."Â. Harper-Mercer posted online about being involuntarily celibate. The true alpha male. Weezer's new single is hilariously bad, continuing a wretched streak so hideous that it almost must be intentional In 1967, these men were considered quite dashing. Meanwhile, the band shout the title in distorted voices, as though singing through telephones, and the guitars crunch and wail in a parody of guitars that crunch and wail. Calculated non sequitur. Just be yourself. Weezer practically invented that sad new format called meme rock with their 2008 video for “Pork n Beans,” which featured the Numa Numa guy, the Leave Britney Alone guy, the Evolution of Dance guy, the Chocolate Rain guy, and Dramatic Hamster. It occurs to me that it might be the ultimate incel anthem. It was discovered Elliot Rodger had an extensive online presence, including a series of YouTube videos he made and posted — reuploading as they were banned and removed. Cuomo apparently forgot how to put songs together and the band forgot how to rock without quotation marks. "The Stacys are the shallow, self-obsessed women who only care about the looks of the Chads and therefore spurn any advances or attempts made by the incels. All rights reserved. A Reddit moderator said: "Apart from the constant anger and violent threats (which these Neckbeards would be incapable of), these are the last 2 posts that got it banned: On Nov. 7, 2017, it was the first subreddit to be removed from the website. "These people are extraordinarily dangerous," Mike Arntfield, a criminologist at Western University in London, Ont., told The Fifth Estate. Rodger is considered a "hERo" and Minassian an "AMazing hERo" — their initials used as monikers inciting others to attack. Self-proclaimed incels often blame society and their genetics for not being successful in romantic endeavours. In retrospect, it sounds like a retreat from the emotional kneecapping of the would-be career wrecker, but at least it had “Island in the Sun,” as wistful and as dreamy a tune as Cuomo has ever penned. His less-than-glowing self-assessment was refreshing during a decade when well-meaning but—let’s face it, dumb—bands toyed around with knowingly misogynist perspectives and got way in over their heads. Songs From the Black Hole, a Bootleg of songs by Weezer. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. Some incels say they flock to the online forums because they are lonely men trying to find like-minded people to ruminate with and to help find solutions to their problems. Think “Sex Type Thing” by Stone Temple Pilots or “Push” by Matchbox 20. Also, I wanna point out, Rivers Cuomo used to send gangs of roadies out in the crowd at his shows to pick up every Asian girl they could find and bring them backstage so he could have sex with them. This is why I believe the incel problem isn’t necessarily an external romantic issue as much as a self-image issue. At the time of its removal, the subreddit had more than 40,000 active members. Rivers is the ultimate poster child for woman hating horny frustrated nerdy straight boys. The world of the Incel. It was called "Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project." But censorship of these chat forums doesn't seem entirely effective, because as soon as one forum or website is shut down another "just pops back up," Perry said. I have listened to some other songs by them but they just dont sound good It all began with a Facebook post on Jan. 19, 2019. Weezer was an easy band to like – they were approachable enough to fit into a scene from Happy Days with ease and hip enough to get honorably roasted by Beavis and Butt-head. "It's not going to do much good to engage in trying to insert counter narratives into their little echo chambers because they're going to be shouted down," she said. Their last six albums—starting with 2002’s “Maladroit”—have been almost comically bad, each sporting some variation of the same slick, expensive-sounding sonic palette and some of the most moon/June rhymes imaginable.

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